Trayvon Martin case 911 call: Screams not George Zimmerman's, 2 experts say

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By msnbc.com staff Updated at 2 p.m. ET: The voice heard crying for help on a 911 call just before Trayvon Martin was shot to death was not that of George Zimmerman, according to two forensic voice identification experts, one of whom told MSNBC on Sunday that he believes the evidence is strong enough to use in court. "The tests concluded that it's not the voice of Mr. Zimmerman," Tom Owen, of Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, told MSNBC. Asked if he thought such tests would be admissible in court, Owen said "yes" and noted he had recently used similar testing in testimony at a Connecticut murder case that involved 911 call.

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Trayvon Martin Case Spotlights Florida Town's History Of 'Sloppy' Police Work

Posted: 04/ 9/2012 8:35 am Updated: 04/ 9/2012 1:01 pm 

SANFORD, Fla. -- In the summer of 2010, a masked man gunned down Ikeem Ruffin, 17, in an apartment complex on this city's north side. When police arrived, they found Ruffin dead and another teenager beside the body calling for an ambulance. The next day, police charged the teen with robbery and murder.

Prosecutors dropped the murder charge last August and said another man, still unidentified, pulled the trigger. Teresa Ruffin, the victim's mother, said the police overlooked important evidence -- including a witness who pointed to another suspect -- and allowed her son's killer to go free.
"They didn't do their job," Ruffin said of the police.

Ruffin, who is black, said she sees parallels between how Sanford police officers handled her son’s murder and how they investigated the killing of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed teenager shot to death Feb. 26 by George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer who told police he acted in self-defense.
Police said they couldn't refute Zimmerman's claim and haven't arrested him, unleashing withering criticism over perceived missteps and favoritism.

"All this with Trayvon is just bringing the light on the Sanford Police Department," Ruffin said. "This happened for a reason."  <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/09/trayvon-martin-cops-botched-investigation_n_1409277.html">READ MORE</a>

POINTS TO PONDER

Basically,  the point of law that the jury will be required to look at 
is the instant situation surrounding the time the shot was fired.

A) The prelude to the shot, while remarkable as it may be, can only
go so far to establish, who should reasonably have been in that area. 
To establish that it was proper for GZ to have been in that
area, it needs to be shown that there were no indications against
his presence there.  That is, no indications, of sufficient weight,
that a reasonable person would not have gone where GZ went.

B) This is why GZ’s claims become so important. He claims that his
only interest was in protecting the neighborhood from thugs who;
“always get away”.  That’s fine, but, without police powers, he
cannot claim the right to do, anything more than what the police
have instructed him to do. 

In his NW training the SPD has told him that he should not follow
people he suspects. They told him why, and how such conduct
could have very tragic results.  Then, that night, when the NEN
operator, discovers that GZ has left his vehicle, asks “are you
following?” 

This question is asked to ascertain whether further instruction
is needed. GZ replies that he is following, and the further instruction
he receives then is: “We do not need you to do that!”  Which should
have been enough of a reminder, that NW’ers who do not follow the
protocols of NW are vigilantes and therefore engaged in conduct
that is not approved.  Thus,  the area that a reported suspect has
moved through,  is an area prohibited to a NW'er engaged in NW
activities.

C) So then it derives that according to GZ’s story:  It's too late...
the unapproved conduct has already produced unwanted results!

At that point in time GZ is responsible for these unwanted results!

D) But, according to GZ, the unwanted events that occur at that
location -- which he describes as happening at the T -- were
claimed to be fearsome enough to induce a reasonable fear that he
might be seriously injured or killed there.

Yet,  although this claim may be true or untrue, it remains a fact that
no shot was fired there.

E)   At yet another location some distance away from the initial
encounter,  we find GZ in contact with the “suspect” again.

Witness testimony appears to indicate that the two arrived there
under their own power.  There is no mention that any force or
other compulsive measures resulted in this second encounter.
This is because what the witnesses tell us, appears to say that
both parties arrived at this second location, of their own volition.

They,  appear to have been free to move in whatever direction they
desired for a time.

F) One party had a fire arm, the other party had no weapon at all.

G) So, “F” sets the stage where the jury must decide, if a reasonable
armed person would have feared great injury or death at the hands of
the other unarmed party.

H)  GZ’s own story of this encounter, includes no action by TM, that
could possibly convince a reasonable person that TM could do great
injury or cause GZ’s death, with no weapon of any kind available to him.

I) It is for the reason given in “H”, that GZ supplies “he went for my gun”, 
as a reason for himself to fear great bodily harm or death.

J)  The problem for the jury is, there is only one gun!
Thus, at some point GZ gains total control of this weapon and he
takes aim.   At this point, no reasonable person would believe that
TM could somehow take the gun away from GZ and kill or injure
him with it. Nor would any reasonable person believe that TM could
greatly injure or kill GZ with only his bare hands.

K)  GZ fires an unnecessary shot into TM killing him, at a time when
he faced no serious threat of his own. Since a reasonable person
would expect that; any person being held at gunpoint, would cease
to resist,  unless they had a death wish.

L)  Even if TM did not cease resistance, GZ still had nothing, in the
way of great bodily harm or imminent death to fear, such that he
could not retreat and warn.  Instead he fired without warning, into
the body of an unarmed teen causing his death.

These are the critical points that will matter at trial. GZ cannot possibly
get a self defense instruction, against a weapon he carried to the
encounter.  There was no reason at all, for him to be at the place where
he was,  facing an unarmed youth, who had no control of the firearm.
There was only one firearm there, and only one person had control
of it.   Thus ended GZ’s right to reasonably fear for his life.

Add:  Not only did GZ not bother to warn and/or retreat,  the evidence
shows that he actually held TM close by the clothing when he took the
fatal shot.  Even if one believes that their opponent is a deadly threat
to themselves,  they do not continue to hold them close.

THE DUELING VIDEOS:

A Martial Artist looks at the Zimmerman/Martin Murder Case

THE MOUNT POSITION

Filed under: law & crime by Victoria Liberty @ 1:45 pm

Guest post by John Victor

Thanks again to John, who earlier wrote a guest post about the Pring-Wilson trial, for providing his analysis of another high-profile case.

The killing of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman is a story that ran through most of the media earlier this year, with strong opinions expressed on both sides of the issue.  Martin was shot by Zimmerman as he walked to his father’s apartment in a gated community.  Zimmerman, a self-appointed neighborhood watcher who was armed, followed Martin assuming he was a potential burglar.  The two had a confrontation, where Zimmerman pulled out his holstered handgun and shot Martin.

Contrary to reports in the media, it is possible to reenact the murder and to discredit the stories coming out of the Zimmerman camp.  My own background is in martial arts and I do reenactments of street crimes for the purposes of self-defense training.

Zimmerman’s first story (as related by his brother to the media) is full of easily discredited holes.  He claims that Trayvon Martin was seated on top of him, smashing his head against the pavement, whereas he went for his holstered gun and shot him in the chest.  This story is as unlikely as “space aliens made him do it.”


Let’s start with the position that Martin and Zimmerman were allegedly in.  It’s called “the mount” as shown in the following picture: READ MORE

Who Screamed for Help?
One of the keys to understanding a street fight is that “multitasking” is not an option for most people.  When a karate master takes on, say, three attackers simultaneously, his or her approach is to deal with this as one single attack and not three separate attacks.  Screaming for help is a separate event from fighting.  One does not fight and scream for help simultaneously.  It’s the party that has stopped fighting (or never engaged in a fight) that does the screaming.
I would put my money on Trayvon Martin as the screamer when he was pinned to the ground.  Why not Zimmerman?  Because he had an ace in the hole in this fight, his gun, and he would have been fighting to get to it, and not taking the time to do anything else.  It would have been a single minded effort.  Even assuming that Zimmerman was being “ground and pounded,” he would know that he had the ultimate weapon in this fight, and that’s what he would have been going for, and not screaming for help.
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George's Shoes

Mark Osterman - WOFL TV

Published on Sep 18, 2012 by tatepublishing The sound of a single gun shot cut through the quiet, rainy evening and a lanky, black teen, Trayvon Martin, fell to the ground. The shooter was someone Mark and Sondra Osterman spoke with daily. He played Santa for their daughter, treated his wife with preciousness, often ate at their table, and shared their joys and sorrows. The Ostermans are George and Shellie Zimmermans' best friends. They were the first people Shellie Zimmerman called on that tragic February night in Sanford, Florida. Because of serious death threats, the Ostermans took George and Shellie Zimmerman into their home, hiding them for nearly a month. With their own lives in danger, they offered protection and encouragement to their friend, because, he would have done the same. As the Ostermans and the rest of the country await news of George's trial for second degree murder, the couple wants the public to know the George Zimmerman they know; the kind, giving guy who had many black friends; the one doing his duty as a citizen, forced to retrieve his gun and use it because his life was in danger; the George Zimmerman who shed tears upon learning Trayvon had died at the scene. The shooting of Trayvon Martin has been called an American tragedy. Mark and Sondra Osterman believe it will be a greater tragedy if George is convicted for doing anything outside of defending his life on the night of February 26th, 2012. They pray daily that truth and justice prevail for their good friend, the most hated man in America.

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